Proposed Memorials

The Completed Projects 2017-2018

1. Steilacoom-3 sites:
Steilacoom Historical Museum Association-Voyage of Discovery
Pioneer Park- Historic Waters
Saltars Point Park- Crossroads of Discovery

2.. Vancouver Notch: Washington State Committee on Geographic Names Approved Proposal on October 23, 2015
On 1 December 2015, The Washington State Department of Natural Resources Board approved Vancouver Notch as an official name. The US Board on Geographic Names denied my Proposal based on new coordinates which put the feature in a Wilderness Area. January 3, 2017, the WA Board rescinded its approval to denial status.


Showing posts with label Vancouver Notch. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Vancouver Notch. Show all posts

Saturday, March 4, 2017

The Highs and Lows of Vancouver Notch

Hello Friends and Supporters of Vancouver Notch,

As you know my Vancouver Notch proposal was officially named by the Washington Board on Geographic Names 1 Dec 2015. The proposal then went to the US Board on Geographic Names for consideration. A special survey was performed by an outside surveying company to examine the coordinates of my original proposal which were determined by the WA Board on Geographic Names.  The surveyor determined that the Vancouver Notch coordinates were actually deeper within the Puyallup River Gap. 

The new coordinates were based on Puyallup Point and an unnamed summit above the South Puyallup River north of Round Pass. The center point between these two geographic peaks create the new coordinates of 46.824 N, -121.917 W. 

Unfortunately, the new coordinates place the feature on the western boundary line of a federally designated wilderness area of Mt. Rainier National Forest. see purple line on map.



Since New Names in Wilderness Areas are not allowed under both WA Board and US Board policies, my proposal was officially denied by both Boards as of January 3, 2017.

I learned so much in my journey to officially name a feature, met many amazing people, traveled deep into the site of the original coordinates at the confluence of the Mowich and Puyallup Rivers and continue to have great respect for Captain George Vancouver for recognizing the importance of the "abrupt division” in the southern foothills of Mt. Rainier. I thank Richard Blumenthal for introducing me to the Naming of Geographic Features and for Caleb Mackey at the WA Committee Geographic Names for assisting me in walking my proposal through the process.

I, along with many others will always refer to the “abrupt division” in our beautiful view of Mt Rainier and her foothills as, Vancouver Notch. Google continues to map it with the old coordinates. At least it is on one map-Google Earth, which is not a bad consolation prize.


Thursday, December 3, 2015

Washington State Department of Natural Resources Board Meets in Olympia

December 1, 2015
Vancouver Notch

I first submitted the proposal to the Wa State Geographic Naming Commission in April, 2015 for the first consideration in May 2015. Read other posting in this blog.
In October 2015, it was approved for final consideration by the Commission.
 On Dec 1, 2015 Caleb Maki, as part of their Naming Commission, presented to the Board,  Vancouver Notch for final approval. The Board unanimously approved the name, Vancouver Notch as part of the Washington State Geographic Names. This enables the name to be used by cartographers in all future Wa State Maps.

Todd Matthews, Editor of the Tacoma Daily Index has written numerous articles as the Proposal has moved through the various stages. He arranged for us to view the privately maintained property owned by the Hancock Forest Management. see his latest article:

To read his most recent article update see link

Thursday, October 29, 2015

Vancouver Notch Naming Approved

Todd Matthews, an enthusiastic Editor of the Tacoma Daily Index and Barbara Reid have been busy lately pulling together the final pieces to present to the The Washington State Committee on Geographic Names that met in Olympia on October 23, 2015. The Committee approved the Proposal to Officially name Vancouver Notch.

Read the recent articles that he wrote on our on site adventure into the Notch with Hancock Forest Manager, Heather Watson on October 21,2015.
To read the Tacoma Daily Index‘s complete and comprehensive coverage of the proposed Vancouver Notch, click on the following links:

§  Tacoma Daily Index Top Stories — August 2015 (Tacoma Daily Index, Sept. 1, 2015)


Todd Mathews -- Vancouver Notch: Committee approves proposal to name Mount Rainier foothills feature (Tacoma Daily Index, Oct. 26, 2015)




Craig Hill of the Tacoma News Tribune presented his articles online but also in the Sunday Section Sound Life.



Sunday, August 2, 2015

Tacoma Daily Index Article

Todd Mathews, Editor of the Tacoma Daily Index interviewed me the other day regarding my proposal to officially name Vancouver Notch. He had received a press release from the Naming Commission of the DNR. He came to my home and we had the best time discussing this project. He also interviewed Richard Blumenthal, local historian and Caleb Maki, Secretary to the Naming Commission. Both of these men have been so helpful to me in learning about and understanding this lengthy process.

Vancouver Notch could soon honor the late explorer Vancouver

Todd has numerous links within his article to view the Proposal, The Press Release, Richard Blumenthal's Publishing of his many Historical Books, Todd's Awards. Again, I thank Linda Van Nest and Terry Rishel for their photos of Vancouver Notch.


Thursday, May 21, 2015

Washington State Commission on Geographic Naming

                                                                 
The Washington State Committee on Geographic Names--DNR accepted my proposal for consideration to officially name Vancouver Notch. Between now and the next meeting in October 2015 the merits of my proposal will be researched and comments will be solicited from local historical societies/museums, county governments, state and federal land management and interested individuals and groups. At that time the proposal will be approved, denied or deferred. The approved proposal then will go forward to the WA State Board. All approved names will go to United States Board for Federal Consideration. The name will appear on all WA and US Maps. This process may take a year or more, but who is in a hurry. It has been 223 years since Captain Vancouver noted this Gap or Pass in his journal. It is such an integral part of our waterfront landscape it needs to have an official name. He named over 30 sites in WA and this formation should be named for him, as he was the first to describe it. This is really exciting historically as it opens a new chapter in The Voyage of Discovery and shines a new light on the ever changing Tacoma Waterfront.
photo by b.reid














If you would like to support my proposal, you may send an email noting subject as: Vancouver Notch to caleb.maki@dnr.wa.gov Caleb is Executive Secretary, Washington Committee on Geographic Names, WA State Department of Natural Resources(DNR)
One or 2 sentences is fine. Please use Barbara Reid as my name. Place your name, title, phone number at the end of the comment. These will be placed in my proposal and will be available online and will be a part of the public record.

Monday, April 13, 2015

The Proposed Name of Vancouver Notch

Today, April 13, 2015, marks my Application to submit The Proposed Name of Vancouver Notch to the WA State Commission on Geographic Names. They meet twice a year in May and October. Linda Van Nest, resident of Tacoma's North East Brown's Point area took several wonderful photos  of this unique geological formation which was described by Captain George Vancouver in his journal/log as the HMS Discovery was anchored near Restoration Point from 19-30 May 1792.

The meeting will be May 15, 2015 at 10 AM in Olympia, 223 years after Captain described the formation as a, "conspicuous, abrupt division" in the southern slope of Mt Rainier.
photos by linda van nest

Monday, March 3, 2014

More on Vancouver Notch

Vancouver Notch, as I call it, is gaining support and photographs are coming my way, thanks to the members of Browns Point Lighthouse- Points Northeast Historical Society. Linda Van Nest has been sending me several and has given me permission to post them. The weather has not been cooperative, but every chance she gets on a weather break she is out on her deck overlooking Commencement Bay snapping her camera.

Take a look at these. I hope to get a season full of different views and Linda is doing a great job. Thank you Linda for your enthusiasm and your efforts.








Thursday, November 28, 2013

Captain George Vancouver and the Abrupt Division

The Peter Puget Memorial Project blog was created to honor, memorialize and celebrate Peter Puget's exploration of the southern waters. While I have purposefully not blogged about Captain Vancouver's own exploration in the eastern and southern waters, the time has come to share one aspect that intrigues and interests me. This interest is turning into a spin-off project within the project.

I became intrigued in general about the eloquent writing found in  the journals written by Vancouver, Puget, and Menzies. I marveled at the detail of some of the observations and descriptions they penned while under the most difficult conditions of severe storms, rain, cold, heat, late at night  in the cramped quarters of a small tent on shore with only a candle burning or below the decks of the HMS Discovery with a hundred other men.

On May 20, 1792 Captain Vancouver had the HMS Discovery anchored near Restoration Point on Bainbridge Island. From this vantage point he saw Mt Baker to the north and Mt Rainier to the south and observed an interesting geological formation along the southern slope of Mt. Rainier. During the next week he made several references in his log about the very conspicuous and abrupt division in the snowy range of mountains immediately to the south of Mt. Rainier. He speculated the eastern inlet of Commencement Bay stretched in that direction.

On May 26, 1792, Captain Vancouver with 2 launches began their exploration of the eastern waters of Commencement Bay. He wrote, "Towards noon we landed on a point on the eastern shore, whose latitude I observed to be 47° 21′, round which we flattered ourselves we should find the inlet take an extensive eastwardly course. This conjecture was supported by the appearance of a very abrupt division in the snowy range of mountains immediately to the south of mount Rainier, which was very conspicuous from the ship, and the main arm of the inlet appearing to stretch in that direction from the point we were then upon. We here dined,[Browns Point] and although our repast was soon concluded, the delay was irksome, as we were excessively anxious to ascertain the truth, of which we were not long held in suspense. For having passed round the point, we found the inlet to terminate here in an extensive circular, compact bay. [Commencement Bay], whose waters washed the base of Mount Rainier, though its elevated summit was yet at a very considerable distance from the shore, with which it was connected by several ridges of hills rising towards it with gradual ascent and much regularity. The forest trees, and the several shades of verdure that covered the hills, gradually decreasing in point of beauty, until they became invisible; when the perpetual clothing of snow commenced, which seemed to for a horizontal line from the north to south along this range of rugged mountains, from whose summit Mount Rainier rose conspicuously, and seemed as much elevated above them as they were above the level of the sea; the whole producing a most grand, picturesque effect. The lower mountains as the descended to the right and left, became gradually relieved of their frigid garment; and as they approached the fertile woodland region that binds the shores of this inlet in every direction, produced a pleasing variety." p.138, 139 Edmond S. Meany, Vancouver's Discovery of Puget Sound, The Macmillan Company, 1907.

After having read about this conspicuous and very abrupt division, I wondered what might this formation be. Could we see it today? I waited for a clear day to see this location myself. As I looked south and east from Commencement Bay and Restoration Point as Captain Vancouver did in 1792, we can see and appreciate today what he described.   There is an abrupt division in the foothills, creating a v-shaped notch. After all these years of my not being aware of it, it is just as Vancouver described.
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As I looked at this abrupt division I wondered, what information might this geographic division hold?  Where was this division geographically located? What river flowed through such a divide, was it the Nisqually or was it the Puyallup? I had my bet on the Nisqually River emptying into the Nisqually Reach in the southern arm, as it is a larger river system and farther south of Mt. Rainier. I wondered if it had ever been officially named, if not, perhaps I could officially have it named. I have been calling it  Vancouver’s Notch for several months so, perhaps we could use that name?

Unlike Vancouver, whose job it was to document and chart, plot and interpret land masses and waterways, we cruise through life and the waterways on auto pilot. If this abrupt division was enough to get Captain Vancouver’s attention, perhaps I could step up to the challenge and find answers to my own questions and eventually educate other Puget Sounders.

I am collaborating with Richard Blumenthal, the author of many historical books relating to Puget Sound exploration and naming of places. We have been in a week long discussion as he educates me regarding the rules and procedures of officially naming  a place. I am learning that this is a journey in itself. I see that I have jump-started the process and have the cart before my horse. I need to know what this division is: is it a space- a gap, a pass, a mountain summit or a ridge? Before you can name a place, you have to know what the place is and where it is.  After this week of exploring the area, looking at Google Earth and topographical maps, I do have some answers to my questions and also have more questions.

Answers:
1. This region is not in a wilderness area, but is in the Mt Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest which borders Mt. Rainier National Park on its southwest side. It is located in Pierce County, WA. One cannot name sites in a wilderness area.
2. The 45 mile long Puyallup River is the river that courses through this division. It originates from the Puyallup and Tahoma Glaciers, its tributaries are the Mowich, the Carbon and the White Rivers and empties into Commencement Bay.
3. According to the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) there are 2 mountain areas in this vicinity that are officially named.
          a. Puyallup Point is a summit with elevation 5305 ft. located in map name: Mt Wow. Coordinates(DMS): 465017N, 1215637W
          b.The Divide is a ridge with elevation of 3986 ft. located in map name: Le Dout Creek.
Coordinates(DMS): 465320N, 1220406W

More Questions:
1. Now realizing The Divide is a ridge rather than a summit. Is The Divide a part of Vancouver's abrupt division? We have to make certain The Divide is the ridge that we are looking at when we see Vancouver's Notch, as I am calling it.
2. Richard Blumenthal has done some more research and has shed  light onto our process. He makes a great statement in another email to me. " If the notch is part of The Divide (i.e., the valley between two of its peaks), there is nothing wrong with an additional name, e.g., Vancouver Division, which is part of The Divide. Think of Snoqualmie Pass as part of the Cascade Range."

Next Steps:
1. Fly the area to document these structures in their relationship to the visual abrupt division as described by Vancouver. Get the coordinates of the visual division and compare them to the named structures. I am working on getting cost quotes.

2. Consider Official Names.for the space between the ranges/mountains/ridges: Vancouver Notch, Vancouver Divide, Vancouver Division,Vancouver Pass. There is a class name of a notch, therefore perhaps I could name this location as I have been calling it, Vancouver Notch. Richard informed me that  ('s) have to be deleted. We learned this when Vancouver named  Puget's Sound, which was changed to Puget Sound.

We all can honor Captain Vancouver by naming the abrupt division after him. He was the first to write a description about it in his log, there is evidence on his master chart/map of this area of a division, and John Sykes drew a sketch of Mt Rainier which shows the notch very clearly.
Vancouver's Chart/Map

First Picture of Mount Rainier from Admiralty Inlet
Drawn by W. Alexander from a sketch by J. Sykes, 1792. Engraved by J. Landseer for Vancouver's Journal.
 

1903 photo from Lake Washington Mercer Island showing notch









































 Vancouver named Mount Rainier
for
Rear Admiral Peter Rainier

























Thun Airfield Pierce County showing notch 2013












 Even today as the TV weather cams photograph sunrise on Mt. Rainier you can see Vancouver's abrupt division. So next time you are out cruising Puget Sound, look for Vancouver's Notch, as I call it and send me a picture.